City of Saskatoon Neighbourhood Traffic Review

Montgomery Place – Meeting 2

8 December 2015

About 80 Montgomery Place residents attended the Traffic Meeting on December 8 in the St. Dominic School gym. The City of Saskatoon Traffic Division staff, following up on the comments they received when they met with Montgomery Place folks in June, 2015, presented 28 recommendations for controlling and calming traffic on Montgomery streets and alleys.

Presentations were given by Jay Magus, Transportation Manager, and Justine Nyen, Traffic Safety Engineer who are “working with your neighbours to come up with the best plan for Montgomery Place.”

Review of City of Saskatoon Traffic Initiatives – Jay Magus

  1. North Commuter Parkway and Traffic Bridge

This is a City-led construction project that will be completed by the fall of 2018. The project will link Marquis Drive to McOrmond Drive, and create a new downtown traffic bridge.

  1. Saskatoon Freeway

This is a province-led planning study to connect Highway 11 south of the City to Highway 7 south of the City.

  1. West Connector Road

This is a partnership with the City of Saskatoon, the RM of Corman Park and the Province of Saskatchewan to connect Highway 16 West to Circle Drive South.

  1. Active Transportation Master Plan

This is a City-led planning study of a city-wide cyclist network. A draft plan will be presented to Council in the spring of 2016.

  1. 11th Street Corridor Study

This is a City-led planning study with the next meeting anticipated in April 2016.

  1. Railway Crossings

A Steering Committee is investigating six City rail crossings, including the 11th Street and Dundonald crossings.

Review of June 2015 Montgomery Place Traffic Meeting – Justine Nyen

Montgomery Place residents are concerned about many things including speeding and pedestrian safety, intersection safety, parking, shortcutting, and potholes. Traffic data collectors were placed around Montgomery Place from June to November 2015 to gather statistical data. Eight intersection and pedestrian counters were set up. Nine 7-day, 24-hour traffic counts to register speed and traffic volume were set up. SGI collision history data was studied.  Field visits were made. City Transportation officials analysed the data and resident feedback and concluded:

  1. Speeding and Traffic Volumes

People drive fastest on the east-west streets. There are also issues on Cassino, Dundonald, Rockingham, Crescent Boulevard, back lanes and the 11th Street Bypass. Montgomery Place people have a skewed perception of speed in their community, City officials contend. Generally the Transportation staff claim, people in Montgomery Place average 47 kph – under the posted speed of 50 kph. (Many Montgomery Place people see that as 7 km over the preferred speed of 40 kph. Perhaps walking on the road and being passed by a car travelling at 50 kph would give City staff a different opinion of safe speeds.)

  1. Pedestrian Safety

Yes, we have no sidewalks, and yes, there are children around in school zones, parks and walking on roads throughout the neighbourhood. Dundonald Avenue should have a pedestrian-bike lane or path.

  1. Intersection Safety

After study, many intersections need Stop or Yield signs. Where Lancaster Boulevard meets the 11th Street Bypass requires further work. The 11th Street corner at Elevator Road and Fairlight Drive requires more work.

  1. Parking

Parking narrows the streets even further. Schools zones, intersections and two-sided street parking should be addressed.

  1. Other Issues

Trimming trees and bushes, private roadside barriers erected by private homeowners, potholes and poor roads, shortcutting through parks and the 11th Street cul-de-sac – all these issues need attention.

28 Proposals to Calm and Slow Traffic in Montgomery Place

The meeting broke into table groups to review the 28 proposals recommended by City Traffic officials. Most disappointing was the refusal to support a lowering of the speed limit in Montgomery Place to 40 kph. City Transportation officials cannot be convinced that lowering the speed limit would increase road safety. Using the same examples, for instance the Edmonton neighbourhoods that experimented with lowered speed limits, the City argued they were not effective, while the majority of Montgomery residents argued that the drop in average speeds in Edmonton proved the effectiveness of lowered speed limits. The 28 City recommendations do NOT include a call for lowering the speed limit to 40 kph.

City Transportation officials were keen to recommend installing seven pinch points. A pinch point narrows the roadway to one lane, with traffic from one direction having the right-of-way over traffic from the opposite direction that has a Yield sign. Why would we want to narrow our roads further? most residents asked. The recommendation met with little success among Montgomery Place residents in attendance.

City of Saskatoon Transportation staff recommendations include:

  1. 11th Street at Fairlight Drive and Elevator Road

Move the store billboard to improve visibility. Look at street parking in front of the store that also impedes visibility.

  1. 11th Street Bypass 130 m west of Crescent Boulevard

Install a 50 kph speed sign.

  1. 11th Street Bypass and Crescent Boulevard

Move chevron signs to improve visibility.

  1. 11th Street Bypass 250 m east of Crescent Boulevard

Permanently install a speed display board.

  1. 11th Street Bypass and Lancaster Boulevard

Install a median island and an additional Stop sign on the south side to enhance the visibility of the stop sign and to ensure drivers are reducing speed to turn left from 11th Street to Lancaster.

  1. 11th Street Bypass and Lancaster Boulevard

Add this intersection to Saskatoon’s major intersection review. Review westbound and eastbound land configurations.

  1. 11th Street Bypass from Lancaster Boulevard to Chappell Drive

Enforce the speed limit.

  1. Caen Street and Lancaster Boulevard

Paint a standard crosswalk on the north side to improve pedestrian safety.

  1. 11th Street and Cul-de-sac on east end

Install bollards (posts) to restrict driver access onto Circle Drive and the 11th Street Bypass.

  1. Dundonald Avenue South of 11th Street

Install “Not a Through Street” sign or “No Access to Landfill” sign to ensure drivers unfamiliar with the street know that it is no longer the road to the landfill or the railyards. Review overhead signs westbound on 11th Street and southbound on Circle Drive to ensure that the Landfill route is clear.

  1. Elevator Road and Caen Street

Install a median island to reduce driver speed.

  1. Back Alley south of 11th Street access from Elevator Road

Install a 20 kph speed sign to reduce driver speed.

  1. Back Alley south of 11th Street access from Dundonald Avenue

Install a 20 kph speed sign to reduce driver speed.

  1. Mountbatten Street and Lancaster Boulevard

To enhance visibility, install “No Parking” signs on the southeast corner 10 m from the intersection.

  1. Ortona Street and Lancaster Boulevard

Paint a standard crosswalk on the south side to improve pedestrian safety.

  1. Ortona Street and Lancaster Boulevard

Move the bus stop from the centre of the intersection to improve safety.

  1. Ortona Street and Currie Avenue

Install “No Stoppiong” signs on the east side of the meridian to enhance visibility and improve pedestrian safety.

  1. Ortona Street and Currie Avenue

Paint a zebra (striped) crosswalk on the west side to improve pedestrian safety.

  1. Ortona Street and Crerar Drive

Extend the park pathway approximately 20 m west so that the pathway meets the intersection of Ortona and Crerar to improve safety by encouraging pedestrians to cross at the intersection.

  1. Ortona Street and Crerar Drive

Paint a standard crosswalk on the east side to improve pedestrian safety.

  1. Ortona Street and Crerar Drive

Move the mailbox from the centre median to improve safety.

  1. Dieppe Street and Crerar Drive

Install “No Parking” signs on the northwest and southeast corners to indicate that there is no parking 10 m from the intersection to enhance visibility.

  1. Dieppe Street and Crerar Drive

Paint zebra (striped) crosswalks on the east and west sides to improve pedestrian safety.

  1. Dieppe Street and Haida Avenue

Change the north-south Yield signs to east-west Stop signs.

  1. All Intersections Along Bus Routes

Change Yield signs to Stop signs.

  1. All Accesses from Dundonald Avenue and 11th Street

Install “Traffic-Calmed Neighbourhood” signs, or signs such as “No Sidewalks – Pedestrians Share Roads,” to raise driver awareness and reduce speeds.

  1. Install Pinch Points

Install seven pinch points on Caen, Dieppe and Mountbatten at the eastern entries, at Caen and Crerar, mid-3200 block Dieppe, 3200-block Mountbatten and at Lancaster Boulevard north of the intersection with Caen Street. Pinch points reduce the road to one lane, giving one direction the right-of-way over traffic from the other direction that must obey a Yield sign. Apparently, pinch points reduce speed.

  1. Community Programs

Firstly, introduce a Pace Car Program. This would be a neighbourhood-wide initiative where volunteers would pace the traffic driving their own private vehicles. Secondly, purchase a community speed board display to reduce driver speeds. (The Montgomery Place Community Association had already recommended this and is awaiting guidelines currently being drafted by City officials.)

Discussion Following Table Groups

City officials leading the table groups presented brief summaries of the discussion at each table. Comments included:

  1. The suggestion that a left turning lane be designated on 11th Street at Crescent Boulevard

  2. A right lane be added for cars turning off Lancaster Boulevard onto the 11th Street Bypass

  3. More four-way stops rather than two-way

  4. Flashing beacons in school zones

  5. Creating Stopping zones at the schools, rather than No Stopping zones

  6. Pedestrian crosswalks are irrelevant, essentially crossing from ditch to ditch – what is the point?

  7. What about speed bumps?

  8. Post a 20 kph sign at the alley at Simmonds Park

  9. Since the construction of the berm on Burma Road began, vehicles have been shortcutting through the alley behind McNaughton, creating deep ruts.

The biggest question from Montgomery Place residents continued to be – Why can we not lower the speed limit? We have no sidewalks. A car travelling 50 kph feels dangerously threatening when passing walkers and cyclists. The Willows has a 30 kph speed limit. Why can they post a lower speed and we cannot? The City permits reduced speed in school zones. Why would City officials not support a reduced speed in our sidewalk-free community?

City officials maintained that pinch points have been proven effective in reducing speeds. Reduced speed limits have not, they contend. Montgomery Place must petition City Council directly for a reduced speed limit in the community. City Transportation officials will not support the Montgomery Place community.

Comments can be submitted no later than midnight January 8, 2016 at The final Montgomery Place Traffic report should be presented to Council in April, 2016.